It also appears that one of the officers may have indeed had a relationship with the apparent homicide victim, Katie Filiberti, with HVN reporting...
...the officer in question may have been trying to get ahead of the investigation by revealing a connection to Filiberti.
A pdf file view of the print edition can be found here:
http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0629HN00A001.pdf
Previous coverage on this site can be found here:
http://stationsixunderground.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-cops-busted-for-murder-of-teen.html
Yesterday's statement by DCSO:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58925897/Filiberti-6-28-11
(When commenting, please keep in mind that you can be held accountable for statements that are threatening, libelous, etc.)
129 comments:
Yes, that is the URL I keep posting at PoJo and they keep deleting! Since early this morning, that URL has been deleted at least a dozen times. I also submitted it here, different thread for the moderator to read.
PoJo sucks. Sounds just like them too to delete REAL news because they didn't get the exclusive. So where the hell is there article confirming that two officers were asked to submit DNA?
A few things concern me about this article. First, is Chief Broe's insistence that there is basically no way in the world that any of his people could be involved. It is unprofessional at best to rule out ANYONE, much less someone who has had a relationship with the victim. But more to the point, why is the officer in question just now finally coming forward to admit his relationship? "Trying to get ahead of the investigation" eh? Seems to me that he should have told someone about this the day her body was found.
I believe this "off the record" local diner thing wasn't that recent; rather, I think it took place back in April.
A timeline would be helpful if anyone has more accurate information on that "off the record" meeting at (which local diner?).
An entire discussion thread at pojo (over 10 posts) vanished around the meeting at the diner.
Getting more specific: If this is now a public corruption issue (racket, whatever), does the FBI have jurisdiction or did they still need to be invited in?
What happens to past evidence if even one officer is even alleged of wrongdoing? I think the case can be salvaged, just not by HPPD.
Jak - here is the best online copy of the article (not in-full): http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0629HN00A001.pdf
I'm going to get a hardcopy and scan if the thing isn't already sold-out.
A timeline would indeed be helpful. But even if the meeting did take place in April, Broe should have recused his department from being the lead on the investigation. Now the integrity of the investigation is irreversibly undermined.
That is my concern, what happens with the integrity of the investigation - no matter when that meeting took place.
Can the NYSP and FBI redo the entire case, retest, reinterview? Would those redos be admissible in court; prelim? trial?? Or was the case taken and salvaged (and insulated) from HPPD at some point.
No agency will be able to recover what has been lost. If an officer was involved, they had direct access to all evidence gathered at the scene, in searches up and down 9G, etc. Any key piece of evidence could have been stolen, destroyed, altered, or deliberately overlooked. Second of all, if an officer was involved, it contaminates the entire investigation with the possibility of conspiracy within the department and possibly even beyond. HPPD should never have taken the lead in this case.
You are correct, the contamination would destroy the case. Perhaps Public Corruption will be all that these officers and department can be charged under and that will be "justice."
(I do have to run, and will be back on after 10 p.m)
I dont know if its happening with anyone else, but I cant get into the PoJo comment page on the Filiberti article now. I went for a second, and now I cant get back in. The link is not showing up under the article. Anyone else having this problem?
Yup, they killed the comments on the story. Surprise surprise.
Hahaha! Too much information being posted. This this case is ready to explode!
I just heard from a cop from another department that at least one of these guys from HPPD has been suspended. Just keep in mind though, that even cops are not immune from the rumor mill, just thought I would share though.
Yeah, I heard something similar, Jack. I heard he was put on 'leave'.
The plot thickens yet again. I wonder if maybe a cop has been suspended for leaking the info that started this rumor wildfire to begin with. I know a person that told me about it said it was a cop who told them to begin with.
Ok everyone please go back and reread the article...this time when you reread the story dont involve your personal bias or any rumor you seem favor...I think you will read it differently...the story says "the RUMOR and subsequent DNA request primarily centers on and officer SAID TO have had a RELATIONSHIP WITH." An off the record meeting with another officer at a diner? so if co-workers have dinner together either on break or afterwards its gotta be fishy? I have had dinner lunch breakfast with many co-workers in my lifetime does that make me a criminal? is that against code of conduct? and my favorite line of whole article is "SOURCES SAY" what the topic of the conversation is. Who is this source who is telling the newspaper and not the cops? its again more speculation. again peolpe jumping to conclusions....the story is nothing concrete. nothing substantial
This was not just a friendly lunch with the boss, and the news report is formulated based upon an exclusive interview with Chief Broe. HVN does not indicate any other "sources."
Um read second to last comment......it directly says sources...not Cheif Broe....So its not exclusive....and the convo was with 2 police officers that everyone has questioned...how do you know what was said? where you sitting behind them at the diner? The article says that it was two officers not the boss. Its just rumors..everyone wants to be able to give the next lead. like the quote "too many cheifs not enough indians" there is nothing in the article that states anything but Broe being fustrated at rumors and that two cops took DNA tests. This was a piss poor decision by HVN to publish. Maybe there is a reason why pojo didnt publish any stories about this or deleting comments. maybe they are interested in the whole truth and not just rumors and refuse to take part in speculation as the writer did. HVN knew this would just sell papers and stories nothing more. read the convo in full detail.
If you trust PoJo, then, lol, I dunno what to tell you.
The fact remains that much of what has now been leaked out should have been reported from the start. The frustration of the community over the lack of information on this case is more than understandable at this point.
Why didn't police hold a press conference to explain when the cops were first taken in for testing, rather then let the rumors blossom over several days? And then still, no real official statement, just an interview with a Johnny-come-lately news agency?
Thats the problem of ANY newspaper..its written by someone and can be very one sided. and high profile cases like this sell papers..It bases its knowledge from sources some unnamed like part of this article and others to keep the readers intreged. The issue is people are fustrated that the case isnt solved. and rightly so we all wanna see Justice for Katie. So by case not being solved people wanna see the facts but by anyone with any education in investigations or criminal justice can tell you that the hard facts cant not be reported. It will loss the integrity of the investigation. Can create more problems and more chances of it going unsolved. They are going by the books..So instead of waiting for the facts when time is right people are making their own facts and conclusions based off of rumors and hear-say...look at how many people in last 24 hours have said "i heard from a friend their friend heard this or said this" its crazy....and these such articles go too far. report that Broe is fustrated and said that there is no proof whatsoever. that they given DNA samples.. dont go adding gas to the rumor flames.
The Chief should have held a press conference the day these officers submitted their DNA, and made a public statement. That would dispel the rumors and not leave it up to the "interpretation" of any news sources.
Six, he should still hold a press conference and make an official press statement just like DCSO did.
What does holding a press conference about these officers submitting DNA have to do with the investigation. DNA might just be a way to stop the rumors and speculation. It does not mean they are suspects. Its clear Broe does not hold any of these cops as suspects. A select few here and around town may believe them to be suspects but thats those people opinions not any of the investigators and remember the investigators have all the leads and any possible evidence so far. Having a press conference would only create more havoc and make this small article and event bigger than it is
If they weren't suspects, they would not have given DNA. And regardless, it is still a MAJOR development in the case that should have been addressed one way or the other, if for no other reason than to kill the rumors. After all, was that not the point in the first place, of these cops submitting DNA? To dispel the rumors? So why was it done undercover and now we are just hearing about it? HPPD dropped the ball, again, in the court of public opinion. But what do they care. They got their new police station.
Did DNA rule out the two cops?
The cops were suspects only in the view of the few public opinions that think there is the court of public opinion. A court where hearsay and rumors are the only evidence and only sentence is humiliation. People are ruining these cops and the departments reputation and meaning of the oath thru rumors and hearsay. Lets let the RULE legal system declare who is suspects and whom isnt. From this article, it states there is no proof of any of these rumors and thats why the cops gave their DNA samples....TO CLEAR THESE RUMORS not part of the investigation....the rumors are NOT part of the crime or the investigation the truth and facts are.....which we will know when the time is right and is solved.
The police work for us, not the other way around. If they wanted to clear their names, they should have held a press conference and clearly stated as much.
8:22 No one cared when it was the names of a tow truck driver's sons being dragged thru the mud. No press statements clearing them. Hell, PoJo still has a news report of a bogus drug overdose online. The police should be held to a HIGHER standard, not pardoned and coddled.
Why isn't this interview available online to the public for FREE? Are you telling me that I have to PAY for a copy of this article to get all of the details? I have to PAY to know what the police are doing in my town? Why is this not public knowledge, available on the Hyde Park website?
The police work for us? No they work for the town, for the county. The police are there to protect us. These people are human beings with a family just like us. So why a higher standard? They are not pardoned or coddled.....like I said we dont know the FACTS we only know the RUMORS...so until then stop treating these cops as criminals. These rumors hold as much fact as the supposive Rapture that was supposed to happen last month....just a bunch of theories nothing solid...
I own a car! Why do I have to pay for gas, just so I can drive it? lmao
The police are employees of the taxpayers. That doesn't mean every citizen "know better" but it DOES mean the police should be held accountable to a higher standard than any citizen. Not only are they expected to act in accordance with the law like the rest of us, but in fact they are paid BY us to uphold the law with integrity and clarity.
Why have I heard two lone gunshots in east park in the last hour?
Probably somebody poaching deer.
Six, who said the police are not upholding the law with integrity and clarity? Like every job the law also has a process it much follow. Give me ONE fact that shows they are not upholding the law? U CANT! again thats more assuptions and speculation cause you and the rest of these people are ready to oull the trigger, Thats why they are law enforcement and your not. People on welfare are paid by taxpayers. Myself being military am paid by taxpayers (thank you by the way lol) does that hold them and myself to a higher standard?
If you are military then I should not have to explain to you the definitions of honor and integrity, nor what it means to hold oneself to a higher standard.
The HPPD should have made a public statement, even for their own good, the minute these officers submitted their DNA.
Someone has m-80's. I hear it too. More going off now since it got dark.
Is this East Park forum now, wtf?
Well I can definitely say I am military I know the meaning of honor courage committment and a higher standard. I also understand the meaning of code of conduct and integrity. Also being a educated member of society in the justice feild I can also tell you that there is a process that must be followed for the investigations integrity, Is knowing that two cops supplied DNA samples to clear their names hard news or is it bringing the murderer to justice more important? This is why I left this town a long time ago, way too many uneducated ignorant people that think they are the law they are cheifs in this county,,,Just upsets me that I ever came back...This town has took a complete turn for the worst. These cops have not been found guilty or been arrested. everyone mentally has already labeled them criminals months ago and its sad. So til that day comes and thats if it ever comes that a cop was guilty how can you judge a departments integrity and high standards til you actually know the facts and not the rumors?
You speak as if you are the only educated person here or the only one who has served.
The point remains, that a public statement should have been made. And as another poster pointed out above, we should not have to PAY for that information through a private news agency.
Well with the majority of these people around here really make me wonder...I can honestly say that a lot of the comments and rumors I have heard have made me sick due to lack of intelligence. In your opinion the public statement should have been made...In my opinion they have given more information than they should have...and why to i believe that? because look at all the little information thats been released and has been twisted and taken outta context. Two cops willingly gave their DNA to clear their names yesturday and somehow that got twisted to they were arrested and all this and that...Cause of the people i just mentioned...uneducated ignorant and have some sick desire to talk and make matters harder for law enforcement.
And if the Chief had made a public press release at that time, rather than letting a for-profit news service speak for him days later, none of these rumors would have been out there the way they were.
the entire purpose of DNA testing these officers was to clear their names publicly, allegedly. So why the secrecy if the Chief has such confidence in them? Why did it take a firestorm of rumor to bring facts to light?
Cause the whole time its just been speculation. But as time goes on people have just made it worse...Posting an article and others running around saying 2 cops being arrested was just the boiling point. there is a difference between opinions/rumors and slander and it was turning into slander hardcore. And the bullshit cheap for-profit media outlet wanted the story for sales...they made money and to them thats why it was poorly written so they can keep you guys keep going back for more. Ever wonder why pojo didnt post the story?
No, I wonder why HPPD did not make an official press release, publicly, and on their own website, rather than whoring themselves to a news agency.
I also wonder why DCSO did not tell us in their press release that of the 30 people DNA tested, that two of them were Hyde Park cops? I think the public had a right to know that yesterday before things got even more out of hand. So now we see that DCSO is complicit in denying the public pertinent information which was later disseminated for profit instead.
A hundred grand a year, plus a state retirement package waiting for him no matter what, and Chief Broe has to profit from this case with a newspaper exclusive? I don't want to hear shit about how cops are so underpaid. What a racket. Try eating crap from the public, day in day out, every minute of the day for minimum wage at Stewart's or Mobil.
Yes, the police work for the people, they are accountable to the people, and they are sworn to uphold the constitution not buckle and whine when facing some heat. There are corrupt cops, and public corruption is more common than people are comfortable admitting.
I missed the rest of the PoJo forum from 4:30 - now; did I miss any information worth researching? Can't believe they deleted that thread.
@ 10:04 p.m.: "But as time goes on people have just made it worse..."
No, the police made this situation worse, the rumor-mill was created by the HPPD (initially).
How in the hell can someone say the police made this worse? for doing their jobs? I know a lot of people on this job probably have an hourly wage job that is basically risk free and no jeopardy at all....but they are doing their job regardless if its how you want them to do it....They cant do it your way this aint burger king...There is a process to follow and you guys are critisizing them for following their rules....Everyone seems to b more interested in wanting to find a corrupt police department than finding justice for Katie. Lay of the police and wait til the end of the investigation before you start pointing fingers and blame.
Can someone answer me .....wouldn't the FBI only be involved if it was a cop that killed KF......it doesn't make sense to me I rarely see FBI involved in this type of case
yes I can answer you....No....the FBI can take over any case they find in need of assistance due to the level of profile, they can be asked in by the department in need. If a department or state suspects a cop or some other internal involvement there is steps that will be taken...the state will bring in Internal Affairs before the FBI. In Hyde Parks case Cheif Broe called them in for assistance cause they have the technology and experts to analyze electronic material such as phone records emails and all where Hyde Park is lacking the feild of experience...
12:33. The police aren't doing their job, that's the point. Selling public info to a private newspaper end neglecting to inform the public of pertinent information until that profit has been made is showboating at best, but borders on corruption and coverup.
And you go ahead and talk smack about blue collar people all you want, but you have a better chance of having your head blown off as a clerk at Burger King or a gas station than you do being a cop. Think about that the next time you give a cashier some shit over your burger having too much ketchup.
They are doing their job. find someone that knows the job and get some information before you blame them...Spend a few grand go to DCC get involved in the criminal Justiice program at least that might get you a little familiar with the rulse and regulations on the job. Not sure how the school is ran....But everyone has the chance to be a cop or whatever its just the matter of putting in the time and effort to becoming one. Its called not being lazy and not settling....Civil service test are always given out.
12:39 The state has no jurisdiction to "bring in Internal Affairs." Internal Affairs is just that, internal. State IA only investigates the State Police.
The FBI however, can be called in to any instance of a possible Federal crime, whether it be at the request of a PD, politician, or of their own accord. All the corruption in county with Paroli and the the TPPD. Who called the Fed in then?
And Chief Broe may not have called them in, but decided to cooperated under the auspices of technical expertise.
And lastly, no one seemed to be too concerned about the investigation panning out naturally when everyone wanted to lynch the body-shop boys, so I don't wanna hear it. Fuck the cops and their stonewalling.
@ 12:39 p.m.
The FBI is Federal, and has authority to investigate crime from two catetories (and a third):
1)National security priorities which include counterterrorism, counterintelligence, and cyber crimes;
2)Criminal priorities, which include **public corruption,** civil rights, organized crime, white-collar crime, and major theft/violent crime.
A third is:
3) If there is substantiated evidence that the officers in the local/state agency are not carrying out an objective investigation or have engaged in behaviors that could undermine the investigation - **such as public corruption.**
For more on what the FBI investigates: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/what_we_investigate
@ 12:47, the police OWE the brothers a public clearance. A press release was due by first week of April (if not sooner) stating all rumors about the brothers were false, and they had been cleared.
Anon 12:46. I wore a shield for 12 years, have more college than a CRJ degree from Dutchess, and agree with the people of this community who are pissed off about this derailment of this investigation.
Anon 1:08 I am not saying some of what they say is correct but there is a LOT of misguided calculation and thoughts...I as well got more than a CRJ degree from dutchess or any suny college and have experience...so being on almost the same level of play here you have to agree with me that while people may be pissed off or fustrated about the investigation there is a process that MUST be followed in order to keep the integrity of the case. That the law enforcement agencies cant just be out jumping on press conferences about every little inch of progress they made or what evidence they have. That all public can do and should do is stop blaming people and spreading rumors that have no facts to support them and let the authroities do their job
1:46, please allow me to interject. I have six years of uniformed service on my resume as well as well as CRJ.
Now to point one, the integrity of the investigation. There is NO reason that police or the DA should have put a gag order on the ME. We don't even know, legally speaking, if we are even dealing with a homicide. Of course we all assume that it is, but calling it a homicide without the ruling of the ME, is really, just another rumor.
Secondly, on point one, if they were trying to PUBLICLY clear the names of these officers, doing so under a cloak of darkness and mystery, NOT telling the public, and then selling the story to a private news agency is counterproductive to that end. They weren't doing it to clear their names publicly, if they were, they would have made a public statement before these rumors started flying.
Point two. As a community, indeed as friends and family of the victim, we have EVERY right to hold the police accountable for their bungled investigation and every right to hold suspicion over the department that seems more intent on coverup and profit than actually solving this case. They tell us they are "working hard" but how the hell do we know that?
Which leads to point three. If an officer was indeed involved with the victim, then he is every much a suspect as the boys who were initially framed for the killing. Those boys have yet to be cleared publicly by the investigators with the same vigor in which investigators came out to defend an officer/offficers who may yet prove to have culpability in this case.
Ok Jack, with 6 years uniform and a CRJ you must not have gotten past traffic duty. There was a reason for the gag order there is reason everything is not public. Let me ask you this during your long six years did the public know everything about any high profile case....Let me bring up the past hopefully your old enough to remember this case in Hyde Park that is over 10 years old now. but Rossi....did we know the full investigation? If so then I missed a lot during that time frame. The officials have to follow a process, which includes protecting the integrity of the OPEN investigation. Everyone is assuming and nobody is looking at all the options.
Fine, reason for the gag order. So all we are doing here is spreading rumors that there was even a murder at all. There was no murder. It is just as possible that it was an accidental death. And if you say otherwise, you are spreading rumors.
Here's a link to yesterday's PoJo comment thread . . .
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/comments/article/20110629/NEWS05/106290337/Police-reject-rumors-arrests-were-made-Filiberti-slaying
jack. you are correct, the ME hasnt come public with the COD for investigational reasons but if it was an accidental death please tell me why there has not been closure to the case at the moment. We all speculate the death to be homicide cause of that which gives us some support to back that theory. See how that works, you have been claiming a cop thru all your post in this website. so where is your support to that reason. you cant give any. All the info will come when the time is right and investigation proves the rest of any details
@ 9:42 a.m. - Did you read this article:
TWO HYDE PARK COPS SUBMIT DNA SAMPLES
http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0629HN00A001.pdf
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My questions to you, being this case has the makings of a public corruption case (whether the alleged cop(s) did it or not, there is that pesky "off the record" meeting that is also public corruption), how can we know, much less trust any information from police as *fully* accurate and truthful?
What is your definition of "when the time if right" for police to release information in what now appears to be a public corruption case; is the right time when the police made evidence vanish that may have implicated one of their own?
The blind faith of so many people in police is truly unnerving.
I catch a lot of flack for a lot of the stuff I write, but I have good reason for doing it. Sadly, it is the people who need to see this stuff the most who turn away in ignorance and refuse to look at the facts.
The police are no friend of the people. Read the articles under the police state tab. That is the true face of police in the modern era.
Just to be clear, I am not accusing the HPPD or any officer in particular related to the case with any crime or corruption, but there is no excuse for ignorance, blind faith, and no reason why police should not be held accountable by the citizens that pay them to perform a duty.
9:42. If you can say with such certainty that it is a murder, then I can certainly speculate that a cop may be involved or that there may be some level of corruption that has thrown the investigation. Is that a fact? No. I never said it was. But there are reasons to consider those possibilities, it is not just something I or a lot of other people have made up out of the blue.
Now as far as why there has not yet been closure in the case if it was an accident, that's not for me to decide. For all we know, they don't really know, and thought it prudent to do a thorough and complete investigation exhausting all leads on the possibility that she was murdered, before finally concluding that it was most likely an accident. And even if it was an accident, there still may be some level of culpability by other parties, if for instance, it was an alcohol overdose.
See how that works? I consider ALL possibilities. I don't just rule out cops just because they are cops, before their DNA has even been returned with a clean bill of sale.
And for that matter too, we don't even know that DNA will break the case anyway.
ok 9:42 yes I read the article and educated to know that because 2 cops submitted DNA doesnt bring any facts. Did you read the article or skim the article for what you WANTED TO READ instead of UNDERSTANDING what you read. The "pesky off the record meeting" you were talking about that was written in the article was speculation. There was no and is no hard facts to that..It was stated by HV News' unamed source of the rumor. Reread the article please..If you cant understand that article maybe you should refrain from making any judgement on this case. In the last 72 hours one thing people here should have learned is unnamed sources are not LIABLE sources. If they are what 2 cops where arrested the other day? EXACTLY! the only facts that came from the article was two cops took DNA samples to CLEAR THEIR NAME FROM THESE RUMORS that ignorant people have made. and other fact is that Chief Broe is fustrated about the rumors and there is no proof whatsoever of any officer involved. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL! This case is NOT the making of any kinda corruption. The PEOPLE that have made this their belief not the case.
If Chief Broe asked his people to take a DNA test in order to clear them in the eyes of the public, he should have made an official PUBLIC statement. He still has not done so, therefore, all we are left with is what was printed in the article.
If you are accusing HVN of lieing, maybe you should take it up with them.
@ Jack, Whether or not a cop is involved (if there was a murder) has not been made known; all I can piece together is that a cop had an alleged relationship of some sort (friendship, who knows what) and had an "off the record" meeting with a supervisor (not cool). At some point, the FBI arrives (to salvage the case, maybe) because it could become a public corruption case. Imo, the feds are not here because of their technology because that does not fall under their jurisdiction (priorities) but the public seems to have bought into that feel-good line. If the officers are cleared (and they very well could be), the case proceeds, if not, hopefully the FBI did enough damage control to proceed. If they are doing damage control, how long has that been going on? We were not told when the feds came back, just that they are here.
Then to make things deeper, there is more to this and I am not sure where to write the additional information (here, just without names?), info that needed to be made known in a press release (spoken or printed). PoJo could run with this (they do know) and could write, “sources tell us (such and such info)” and HPPD states, “No comment.” When information is not published, is very well may exist.‘ However, the only “publication” we may read from the blogosphere; silence is a passive way of saying, “Shut up and go away, I’m not dealing with this issue, it’s not printed, therefore you cannot verify […]” and that could be the greatest disservice PoJo is actively partaking in this investigation (lack of reporting and blog deletions), which in turn provides a diversionary tool (rumors, and blog name-calling – i.e., conspiracy theorist) for someone, some agency whenever someone gets too close to the truth.
@1:42 If you have information you would like to share, you may email me directly so we can discuss it, and see if it is something that I can post here.
Just found your e-mail addy! Slow learner when one cannot find the "contact" button at top of the page! Thanks.
Ok 1:42 again reading is fundamental....where did this "dinner conversation with a supervisor" happen? I read that two cops had a dinner conversation and a "source" said it was about the investigation....again hearsay to whomever told HV News. Nobody knows the actual partake in all this...Do you have friends at work? do you ever hang out with anyone at work? I know I do, that dont make me a criminal. Maybe Pojo aint jumping on rumors and non-fact based information. Maybe they want RELIABILITY about their stories. HV News is a for-profit media outllet that depends on sales to keep their business...So they gotta side more on public opinion than facts to make the people feel familiar with their paper. Too many people in this town are using their ignorance and not their intelligence to make their opinion on this story.
PoJo is also a for-profit publication. And say what you want about the HVN article, it still does not change the fact that Broe did an interview with them rather than issuing an official press release through the department's website. That is a serious blunder.
I guess you dont live in HP, Jack. Otherwise you would know it was a murder. The boy that found her body was showing pics on his cell phone to everyone in FDR, including teachers. He got in big trouble for it too. I also heard that they found her at 8am, but didnt call 911 until 10-11am. How much evidence do you think those boys destroyed or tainted in those 2+ hrs? And, if cops are involved, it made it easier for them to cover sh*t up.
@5:00- Jack didn't say it wasn't a murder. But living in Hyde Park doesn't make you the medical examiner either.
No, Im not. But,if you saw the pics, it doesnt take a ME to see she was murdered. Although, I do agree with Jack, that there is no reason why she couldn't 'officially' rule it a homicide. But, thats just more proof of how this case is being kept overly secret. The ME doesnt have to announce the exact cause of death in order to rule it a homicide. That, in no way, would hinder the investigation.
No, it doesnt. But, if you saw the pics, it wouldnt take a ME to see she was murdered. But, I know what Jack is getting at; why hasnt the ME made an official announcement? Theres no reason why she cant 'officially' rule it a homicide, without giving the exact cause of death. That would, in no way, hinder the investigation. But, I think thats just more proof of how this case is being kept OVERLY secret. Like Jack said before, this case screams cover up.
You know you people are REALLY UNBELIEVABLE....everyone sits and complains for months now that the case is too hush. Law enforcement owes the people news and updates on the investigation...Then Cheif Broe does and you guys keep complaining that it wasnt enough. You call him a liar you complain it went to a media source. You guys can never just be satisfied and let any type of authority do their job without wanting to be in the middle and have your say....and to add another thing Cheif Broe DONT owe you people ANYTHING....if I was Cheif Broe I would have came out and said "you people wanna start and believe rumors and accuse my people with no just cause..well fuck you til this investigation is over I am asking for a gag order on the whole investigation and anything related to the case or rumors" These agencies are trying to do all they can and you are making it worse....You know Tuesday they could have been putting more man hours into solving the case but instead everyone talks spreads the rumors (cops arrested ect) which only causes the investigation to be delayed and people have to put a hold on what matters! And what are the continuation of the rumors doing to Katie's family? brings more stress and questions to them? what do you think they feel. Now these rumors start and now I am sure they are even more stressed and depressed and dont know who to trust. cause you guys are stripping what really matters away from everyone
Seems to me that the rumors turned out to be pretty accurate. Sadly, the case is not solved as we all had hoped, but two officers were indeed brought in for DNA testing. If the Chief had announced it right then in an official press statement, the rumor never would have flown that the two had been arrested/charged.
A lot of people are heartbroken finding out now that the case wasn't solved as rumor had it. That to me is the real tragedy here. Not that a few officers were on the short end of some nasty rumors. Ask her boyfriend how that feels. Poor kid couldn't even go to her funeral because of it. I feel a lot worse for him.
Not saying that it was right to spread rumors about the two officers of course, but the Chief could have stopped that rumor dead in its tracks by issuing a timely official statement. Instead, all we are left with is a news article from an out-of-town outfit, that people right here in this comment section have said is just more rumor and lies. We needed, and still need, official statements.
The Chief may be one hell of an investigator, but frankly, I think he sucks as a chief after seeing this debacle.
Six....i need your help what rumors have turned out accurate? I have not seen one yet that can be proven....
"well fuck you til this investigation is over" This is what you would say to the public if you were chief??? You said you are in law enforcement. And, you wonder why people don't trust cops? The rumors on Tuesday took away man hours from the investigation? Give me a break! Why, was every officer from HPPD, DCSO, NYSP, and FBI tied up in interviews? You're a joke! Al you are doing is proving that cops stand behind other cops, whether they are right or wrong. Its a$$holes like you that give cops a bad name.
six, please include facts and proof of each rumor that turned out to be accurate as well please....cause without any fact or proof its still speculation or rumors.
I agree with you 100% Station! One of the main duties of a Police chief is to handle public relations. Broe has handled this teribly from the very beginning. Telling the public that they are safe to go about their business, but not saying they have a suspect? Not allowing the ME to officially rule it a homicide? He fits right in with the rest of the arrogant b@stards on HPP force. You want blame anyone for the rumors getting as blown out as they did, blame Broe.
Six, in your other thread you reported that the report would come out Wednesday. The report did indeed come out Wednesday as you predicted, regardless of the damage control that PoJo and DCSO tried to do. And the only thing not true abou the rumors was that the two were actually charged with anything yet. If they dragged me in for a DNA sample, everyone would say I got arrested too.
anon 8:53.....Its not assholes like me...Its the ignorace of people like you that wanna point fingers and wanna blame the police for "messing up" but the fact of the matter is what have they messed up? do you have a regulations and process book in front of you? have you ever done any research to ask why nothing really has been said or why things are the way they are? probably not, And if you dont like the way its handled, why dont you do something about it? I challenge you to go get a CRJ education take the civil service test and go thru the acedemy. spend time on duty in a service and change things! go make a difference...but I know you wont..and I wonder y could it be that it would take effort? or maybe cant pass the physical or mental tests? or is it the drug test or just not intelligent enough or is unemployment just too good to you? Like I said you dont knw anything thats going on behind closed doors if your so smart what interviews were the officers in? what did they do all day? shit you seem like you can tell us where and when they took a shit last.
And, the key word there, anon @ 9:11, is 'YET'. Thats the EXACT WORD that the DCSO used in their press release. So, nothing has been disproved YET.
Does anyone know if it's true that a cop got suspended? I am wondering if it was a cop who leaked this rumor to start with.
Well, I'm glad you admit your an asshole, 9:31! LOL So, what exactly is ignorace? And, I can guarantee, I have a higher education then yourself. I'd be willing to bet I make at least double your salary. Oh, and by the way, I scored a 96 on the Troopers exam, and 98 on the Dutchess Cty poice officers exam 25 years ago. I got called for the troopers, DCSO, City of Beacon. But, I decided to finish my education instead. I'm just glad I made the right choice. I would not have enjoyed working with arrogant, idiots like you.
And, speaking about unemployment; reading thru these posts, it seems like you have been on here all day and night, the past 2 days. You looking for a job? Maybe, HPPD will hire you??
9:54 Lol. Fuckin score.
9:54 well i can guarentee that My resume looks a hell of a lot better than yours.. I can guarentee that I have done a hell of a lot more than you...I got a job and if you know what I have posted you would know what my job is. But obviously you cant. and I am not gonna repeat my self for some scum bag like you. And sad part is I am probably half your age! So go back your your double wide and relax.
I'm sure you do have a bigger resume than I do, junior, because I've worked at the same job for 25 years. I hope you used spell check, when you filled yours out. And, just because, or is the word cause (thats the word you use constantly), you said what line of work you are in, doesn't mean you are working. I know I wouldn't hire your ignorant, arrogant ass. And, by the way, I own 2 homes, none of which are trailers, dh.
Junior? please I have definitely a better respecting job than you could have ever had....and I am working in fact you pay my salary. So thank you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o30wacwdoc
YADA YADA YADA! My dicks bigger than yours, your a bigger dick than me...we can go back & forth all night with this. Add immature to your resume, Jr!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNlLZhmuLdU&feature=related
And, you're right; what I pay in income tax each year probably does pay your entire yearly salary. HaHaHa
call me what you want call me an asshole immature junior...but hey as long as you keep paying my salary what do i care? I did something with my life and influenced many others along the way. what do i gotta prove...i am just ttrying to state my opinion on the case from my knowledge yours my be different but we both same team we both want justice for Katie and aint that whats important here?
"we both want justice for Katie and aint that whats important here?"
You are right there. I won't argue with that. And, you're right about all of us having different opinions. All I ask, is that you respect mine and other people's, just as they have respected yours. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone. But, there's no need to insult them in the process.
You sound like a smart young man. You make some intelligent points, minus the insults. By your statement above, I'd say we made great progress here tonight.
Sorry, but if you want me to do this tomorrow, Im going to have to charge you. LOL
Have a Good Night! I have to go to work in the morning.
My post has not been meant to be taken as insults. I just am saying that that in my opinion most people seem to be judging very quickly. That I just was hoping to add a little extra insight from my area of expertise and all and say that this case still has many different ways it can go...Its taken a few different huge turns. Remember when we all thought of the boys as definite killers and pointed all fingers? now its someone else. and we can only imagine what the boys think at the moment of being prosecuted publically which holds a huge impact on people than me know. I am sure they havent been the same since and probably never will be the same again. Now what if the same mistake was made with the cops? these people are told to protect us with honor and courage and can they do that with everyone analysing everything they do by a few rumors and opinion that were wrong (stating if thats what happens) I just want people to have their opinions cause thats what makes us Americans different but just to think of all actions and consenquences and leave other options open. And by ignorant I was stating just that people need to keep an open mind on the case cause we dont know the hard facts and all that keeping a closed mind and making conclusions would b ignorant. nothing was meant to label anyone or be an insult
I can't speak for anyone else of course, but I have said all along that I thought it might be a cop. Not any particular cop, but I am still far from convinced that there isn't a conspiracy in this case.
And aside from what I may think of the Chief personally, how much integrity he has, or what his skills are as a veteran investigator, I still stand by my statement that this was a serious blunder on his part.
This case hasn't jived right from the start, and this latest episode really makes me believe more than ever that there is something seriously amiss with this case.
See and I am not sure...I dont know. I understand the reasoning for a mum word on the case I really do. I differ cause I am trying hard to look at every detail which really isnt much due to little to no hard evidence known to public. But like I said I understand that reason and am ok with the holding of everything. If I was honestly part of investigation I would keep all details outta the news as well...That method does serve its purpose regardless of how fustrating it can be. And I can say that I do get a little bothered with the rumors that people have thrown at a specific cop only cause I do know him and his family on a personal level and I see what the rumors have even done to his family. Six now I aint saying its cause of this site just saying in general people talking about rumors might know its rumors and at moment holds no fact but as it spreads people interprite it as fact and people get hurt and thats the sad part.
Well, when I shared what I had heard, I was sure to point out that it had not been confirmed by any public official nor mainstream news source.
But as it turned out, what I shared was not far from wrong at all. There is usually a nugget of truth to rumor. But this time, the rumor was actually pretty damn close to the reality. With the big exception being of course, that they were not in fact charged. But they have yet to be cleared too.
And all in all, this rumor never would have gotten loose the way it did if the Chief had simply made an official statement regarding the testing of his two officers.
The real sad part here is not that these officers had to put up with dirty looks for a few days. The truly sad part is that so many people thought the case had been solved. That stunning disappointment we all felt as a community does not rest on the community and our gossip. This time, it falls on incompetence by those heading up this investigation. We should have been told clearly, we should have been told right away, that two officers were being tested and why.
By not telling us, we can clearly see now that the case is not being handled properly at all, and probably wasn't right from the beginning. I for one, have lost all faith in the HPPD at this point, especially as it pertains to this investigation.
Top authorities in our town and county are sharing privately that the arrest has, infact, happened. And I mean TOP authorities. I'm also interested to know why the poughkeepsie journal deletes all comments regarding the two officers, but had no problem throwing my loved ones under the bus with ease. The journal became a high school slam book and a gross example of online bullying, but when the officers are referred to in the journal, they claim the comments violate the TOS. The truth is coming ladies and gentlemen and GOD WILLING, Katie's justice, which she helped to bring!
when was an arrest made? I have also heard that from law enforcement officials that are close to people i know...thats why the rumor def has its truth behind it..I think they are waiting till the new police station is built before they make an arrest. im sure once the DNA work gets done and matches they will make an arrest..probably wont be for a week or so
sorry my last post doesnt make sense i am typing on my phone lol
If an arrest was made, there has to be a record of it. And those records are public.
@1:14
The boys were indeed slammed pretty hard for days before PoJo stepped in to do anything about it. Finally they did delete comments that named them, but it was days, maybe even weeks later. I for one, stuck up from them from the start.
I too still keep hearing persistent rumors of the suspension and/or arrest of an officer. If anyone can get supporting information or documentation, I will be glad to post another dedeicated story. It would be your choice wether or not to remain anonymous, but of course, you would need documentation or reveal your identity to me personally so that I may gauge the crediblity of the report.
I still feel like I got punked last time by what had been a VERY reliable source. There's some tricky shit afoot.
This entire town is about to erupt if nothing comes out soon
Why have all the comments essentially stopped? On this site and others... Did people flock somewhere else?
Nah, probably not. We're just back to the waiting game again now.
Thanks. I understand how passionate people are about this case. I believe that rumors and accusations really inflame emotions. But let's just hope that in the end the criminal(s) will be caught and there will be conclusive evidence to convict.
I heard two Hyde park police officers were just arrested for the murder
You're a little late on the news there slim.
where can I read about the arrest?
Wasn't there supposed to be a post - 4th of July parade march over to the police station in HP? Did that ever happen?
I saw the relentless Chief led the parade in a black chevy. No dog in this fight, but I have to admit, with this case unsolved after like 4 months; it's tough to witness this guy getting promotions and parading around. If you're not going to find the killer/s, at least lay low.
Well.....anything yet? ANYTHING?????? My officials are making me sick right now. We want the truth!!!
I think if the Anthony case teaches us anything, it's that proving beyond a reasonable doubt that someone guilty is a difficult task. I rather a thorough case that absolutely nails the criminals over a rush to judgement.
We cannot be sheeple and be complacent about the secrecy in this case (i.e., who is in charge, why the poor communication, etc) because silence is all it takes for corruption to breed and flourish. I would rather see oversight such a as press release when one (or two) of their own are requested to submit DNA samples to the NYSP. Demanding police be honest is not a rush to judgment; rather, it is demanding HPPD possess certain qualities such as honesty, integrity, class, and couth, while upholding the Constitution of the United State of America. The problem with this case is lack of honestly, lack of clarity, and bad communication on part of HPPD.
STILL NO INFO?
Nope, nothing new lately. The boyfriend said he has been cleared through DNA though.
http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0727HN00A001.pdf
COPS CLEARED BY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Why were they asked for DNA?
BY HV NEWS STAFF (July 27 - Aug 2)
The investigation into the unsolved murder of Katie Filiberti took another unusual turn when Dutchess County District Attorney William Grady issued a press release last week stating, “The district attorney’s office would like to take this opportunity to reassure the members of the community that no officer of the Hyde Park Police Department is now, or has ever been, a suspect in Ms. Filiberti’s death.”
Good qestion; WHY were two cops asked to submit DNA samples to the NYSP?
How did Mr. DA rule out the cops if he has no suspects?
Are the answers to these questions for sale through HVN?
Gotta commend the HVN for their articles on this. PoJo is too "friendly" with corruption it looks like.
Yup, pojo is way too friendly with the dudes on the other side of Market Street.
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