Today the Poughkeepsie Journal is reporting that the Dutchess County District Attorney's Office released a statement declaring that Hyde Park Police officers are not suspects in the case. Sadly, the article says little else and it appears that the publication is not doing a very good job of gathering or reporting information. There isn't even a quote in the article, much less a link to the actual statement. Which of course then leads us to more questions that should be answered.
If you bother to visit the PoJo article, you will see that they no longer allow public comments on any articles related to the case, supposedly because of "repeated" violations of their terms of service. Perhaps they should hire a better moderator for the online edition comments area, rather then making the unprecedented choice to silence the public voice on the matter. Blanket censorship is hardly the hallmark of journalistic integrity.
Which then leads us now to wonder of course, why has the DCDAO chosen to have the Poughkeepsie Journal speak for them exclusively? Why was the statement not issued to the public, officially, through their own website, rather than exclusively through a for-profit publication? Didn't they learn anything from the mistake of the Hyde Park Police in their mismanagement of public information sharing? Why are we not seeing any actual official statements, only vague reports by publications who's integrity may also be compromised? If there is indeed a coverup, these vague reports can later be revised, or simp0ly written off as misunderstandings, rather than complicity, should the truth ever come out.
The possibility of a coverup is not at all far-fetched, nor is the notion of a conspiracy between agencies and perhaps even the press. The DCDAO has refused to prosecute police officers accused of violent crimes in the past, and is no stranger to corruption. Former DCDAO prosecutor G. Gordon Liddy went on to become the ringleader of the notorious Watergate break in, for example. Not that we even really need to have examples or a track-record of scandal to entertain the possibility that any police agency or prosecutor's office is not immune from misconduct.
Therefore, we must also ask why the DCDAO has chosen to make such a statement in first place? Were the DNA samples given by the two police officers processed that quickly? Much simpler toxicology reports take 6-8 weeks, as was true while the public awaited the results of the Dutchess County Medical Examiner's Office autopsy of the slain teen. Results that the public never got, after the ME was ordered by the DA to remains silent about the case. Officially, the death has not even been ruled a homicide, though police are investigating as one apparently.
It is also curious that the investigation would rule out anyone since no arrests have been made in the case. Do they even have any suspects at all? Why did the DCDAO make a statement ruling out police officers, but not anyone else, such as Katie's boyfriend Mike who was suspected initially by many people in the community. He has since told the Poughkeepsie Journal that he was ruled out as a suspect after submitting a DNA sample himself, but no such statement was ever issued by the DA or the police on his behalf. Why the favoritism being shown to police by the prosecutor's office?
From almost the beginning, the only information that the public is given on this case, is information defending the police and what appears to be a failed investigation. With each small development in the story, it appears more likely that there is indeed a conspiracy and a coverup, rather then justice for Katie.
EDIT: Looks like PoJo decided to finally put out a more in depth article this morning.
EDIT 2: Here is a link to the actual statement released by the DCDAO....
http://www.mediafire.com/?rma17e4flb7emaf
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Here is the contact information that was missing from the "news release":
Major Crimes Bureau
phone (845) 486-2300
fax (845) 486-2344
Frank Chase, Bureau Chief
The Major Crimes Bureau prosecutes through trial, all Violent Felony Offenders and Career Criminals (those with prior felony convictions and/or significant misdemeanor histories) charged with felony offenses.
We shouldn't have to call them to get copy of a public statement. It should have been posted on their website along with whatever public press-release statements they have made in the past.
I really don't see how this could be before a GJ if no arrests have been made. Police and the DA are refusing to tell us if there is even a suspect. We don't even know for certain that this was indeed a homicide. Of course, I do believe that this was a murder. But since that has never been confirmed by the ME, at some point the police could still close the case and tell us that there was never any crime. Nice clean-sweep coverup from top to bottom.
Comments section for the today's pojo article:
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/comments/article/20110721/NEWS05/107210335/
On that clean-sweep coverup from top to bottom (or bottom straight to the top) - the blue code of silence.
Have you read the (NYPD) 1994 Mollen Commission Report?:
http://www.parc.info/client_files/Special%20Reports/4%20-%20Mollen%20Commission%20-%20NYPD.pdf (13.13 MB download; 270 pages)
The fourth estate in Poughkeepsie is dead. There is no investigative journalism at the PoJo. If it's not an AP article, they're pretty much out of it. If I'm not mistaken one of the officers was removed from a residence in handcuffs in order to go to the police station for at least questioning, if not a DNA sample. Yet, you don't see this reported.
I know one thing, cop or no cop, I would never submit to a DNA test voluntarily.
Just a thought here for a moment regarding the DNA sampling. DNA may not even be relevant to the case. If, for example, a suspect was known to have had an ongoing relationship with the victim, DNA really wouldn't prove anything. Not necessarily anyway, unless they had the murder weapon or something like that in evidence to match it to.
Don't mean to be vulgar or to tarnish the memory of the deceased in any way, but some have speculated that she may have been raped before she was killed. Yet DNA of that nature recovered, really would not be enough to hang someone who was known to be an intimate partner. They could of course claim that any sex was consensual, and therefore not a motive for murder. Which may be one reason why her boyfriend was cleared. No marks of struggle on him, which may be more important than DNA under the above outlined scenario.
But let's flip that on it's head for a minute. Let's pretend that you are the killer, and a rapist. Your DNA was ALSO left with the victim's remains. How do you nullify the relevance of that DNA? Spread the rumor that you ALSO had a "consensual" intimate relationship with the victim.
Is anyone able to confirm that she did in fact have an ongoing relationship with the officer whom is said to have been involved with her, according to the Chief's admission to HVN?
According to the statement released by the DCDA's office, no officer is now or has ever been a suspect. Well is that is true, then why did two officers submit DNA? And they can't use the excuse that they simply did it to put the public at ease to to speak, because the public was never properly informed.
Moreover, perhaps an officer or officers SHOULD be looked at as suspects. Being a suspect does no make one guilty of course, but I would think that ANYONE who had a possible motive should be looked at as a suspect.
So why then has a police officer who had relationship with the suspect, allegedly anyway and according to the Chief's statement, why is that officer not now and has never been a suspect?
As I said, being s suspect does not make one guilty, but it appears that by their own admission, officials are not thoroughly investigating the case.
If anyone knows who these two officers are; have they been 'acting' differently at work or at home?
Extended vacations.
Re-assignments.
Different shifts.
Additional sick-days.
The DAs news release states “[…] no officer of the Hyde Park Police Department is now, or has ever been, a suspect in Ms. Filiberti’s death.”
The statement does not say "any police officer, any deparment," just HPPD officers.
The police & DA are not talking; rather clearing cops (not citizens), while blaming the public for starting rumors and wasting their time; these rumors would NEVER have begun IF the police and DAs office had done their job in issuing ongoing press-releases.
Press releases generally do not give up information, rather they sincerely address the concerns of the public, which in turn stops rumors before they take root in the community.
Rumor-control is a public safety issue.
Who was 'on shift' that night?
Were there ANY officers ever at that 'party'?
Where were these two officers in question?
Who actually interrogates them?
Are these Q&A's FOIL-able?
I am not sure if either HPPD or DSCO were FOILed about who was on shift that night, and next day. There are time sheets and the media FOILs those from time to time to try and prove double-dipping.
Do I respond with, "Rumor has it that... " about who was at the party? I know the answer, but would rather someome who was at the party e-mail station.6.underground@gmail.com with that information.
Cops interrogate cops. (My faith in this case and HPPD is dwindling by the day)
You can FOIL whatever you wish, and you will either receive the information (free or for a copy fee) or a denial stating why the FOIL was denied.
HPPD had not yet complied with Freedom of Information requests pertaining to this matter, to date, though the DCSO and/or DC911 apparently have. From that we learned the identity of who reported the body.
Is it possible to post the information that was gathered in the FOIL request?
Did I read that a HP cop lives in the neighborhood that the girl was found?
The location that she was found was only about 1/4 of a mile from the HPPD station?
If so; bold faced stupidity or someone 'framing' someone?
If not; never mind.
@ Anon 7:30 - Scan any documents that you have. I would be happy to share them here. You can send them via amail attachment to the address in contacts key.
@ Anon 8:22 - I too have heard that an officer lives in the same neighborhood, quite possible. And yes, the police station is right down the road too. The street where the party was, the police station, and the neighborhood where the park is, are all along route 9G.
almost time for Nancy Grace
(after she 'catches her wind')
I've been excessively tolerant of the authorities up to this point, and my gut reaction tells me that there's nothing intentionally misleading going on. That said, the stupidity of the "public relations" effort is way past laughable, and I'm finally at the point of writing off anything that the newspapers, police, or authorities have to say...the public DOES deserve SOME information...this is our community; these are our public officials, and we do deserve something besides blame for rumor mongering..and a wall of silence..
Living in Hyde Park.
Is there a killer(s)still walking among us?
Has he/she/they left the area?
Should I be concerned?
How should I explain the current status to my daughter?
Did the police 'take care' of this character?
just silly, silly questions, eh?
The longer this goes, the questions and the suspicions gain credibility...the public's legitimate concerns need to be addressed...
Living in Hyde Park.
Is there a killer(s)still walking among us?
Has he/she/they left the area?
Should I be concerned?
How should I explain the current status to my daughter?
Did the police 'take care' of this character?
Legitimate issues. (?)
Who can provide answers?
What is a reasonable time of public uneasyness and mild terror?
We certainly should have been told that two police officers were taken in for DNA testing. There are a lot of things that public could and should be told that would not compromise the investigation.
And while the DA's office may choose to attack the community for rumor mongering, they would do well to keep in mind that they work for us, not the other way around. So far, the only rumors I have heard turned out to be QUITE accurate.
@ anon 7/22 4:44 - "what is a reasonable time for the public to be uneasy?"
Until your safety needs are met/answered. A young woman was murdered in a small community, the police have no suspects, and are alarmingly silent; anyone feeling uneasy is responding pretty darn normal.
The people need to know they are safe and can trust the police and that is why police PR has to be done right, from day one. Police PR offers due-care in addressing both the crime and the needs of the public and is usually done without giving up the case (however, most of us here know some if not a lot of facts that police shoot down because “it did not come from an official source.”) Good PR stops rumors before they begin and nips smaller rumors in the bud with integrity and honesty through media and press releases.
Now that the PJ has banned comments on the latest 'case' article;
(wonder who really made that decision and why);
are they allowing comments somewhere else
(buried & hidden)
on their 'difficult to maneuver' and 'difficult to find stuff' website ?
Yeah, there's a url pasted in one of the comments above. So they are allowing comments, just lying about it and hiding it so general users can't see. Datamining.
...this is going to be a 'doozie' when the actual story gets out.
I keep hearing that the reason the two officers were taken in for DNA testing is that their fingerprints are all over the scene of where the party was. I mentioned this once before, but is one of these officers the "ex-boyfriend" who showed up at the party, that Katie didn't want to see and who the fight at the party was about?
http://www.dutchessny.gov/AssmtRolls/RPhydepark11.pdf
2011 Hyde Park final (real property) assessment role / taxable.
Wow. And what was the address of the party?
I said right from the beginning it could have been an accidental death. And that would explain so much at this point.
For starters, the reason that they refused to disclose the manner of death, much less the actual cause. It still has not been ruled a homicide I am betting, because of high levels of alcohol and/or other drugs perhaps as well.
Secondly, it would explain why NOTHING is being said by police. Because, perhaps, the party was at a police officer's house. Even if he is not guilty of murder, even if she wasn't in fact murdered, it may be that the town's long-standing DARE cop threw a St Patty's bash for underage kids where a girl died. Then someone moved the body to cover up the fact that the girl had gotten wasted at a cop's house.
Might also explain the unconfirmed rumor that a cop was suspended.
This may not be a homicide folks, but it may still be a conspiracy and a coverup.
All good points to consider. Does anyone one know the address where the party was held? Does anyone have FOIL information to share?
http://www.dutchessny.gov/AssmtRolls/RPhydepark11.pdf
Tax roll list.
What exactly are we looking for here?
Certain address?
Thank you.
Photo of house where party was held: http://issuu.com/hudsonvalleynews/docs/3-30_hudsonvalleynews/1?zoomed=&zoomPercent=&zoomX=&zoomY=¬eText=¬eX=¬eY=&viewMode=magazine
If the above direct link does not work, try: http://issuu.com/hudsonvalleynews/docs/3-30_hudsonvalleynews OR go to http://issuu.com/hudsonvalleynews and look for the March 30, 2011 copy.
Click on "cick to read," turn to page two, and scroll bottom right hand side.
I have the house in a larger size (not thumbnail) in two more formats, and trying to get create a link, if not I'll have to upload to the admin here.
Question: Katie allegedly left her car at a friend's house. Where was that friend's house with resepct to Greenbush, Greenfields, and Greentree?
Just wondering, what was so interesting about the Tax Roll List? Obviously, I'm a little slow...
Also, what does FOIL stand for?
This story is just so odd. The only thing I can think(besides cover-up), is that this case involves a crazy story about an 18 yr old having an affair with an older man. Maybe, the parents just don't want the public to know all the juicy details. If it were to go to trial, everything would come out, there daughter would be portrayed a certain way. They feel it would be better to let her rest in peace rather than have (probably)the whole country hear all the dirty laundry.
Anon 1:59 - That would certainly explain the silence of her parents, and even friends at the party. Their lack of public demand for accountability.
FOIL = Freedom Of Information Law
The tax rolls show you the address of people by name who live in Hyde Park. With that information we were able to confirm that one of the officers alleged to be involved in this case and to have been DNA tested, lives within sight of the house where the party was held that Katie disappeared from. If it wasn't his own house in fact. I am going to do a little more digging now to try to figure that out.
Tax assessment:
Using your pdf search function, or using your browser, click "edit" then "find on this page" (will search entire document, not just one page)
- Enter a name (first or last)
Or
- Enter an address
The "party house": Page two, bottom right hand side: http://issuu.com/hudsonvalleynews/docs/3-30_hudsonvalleynews
Six - sending you an attachment by e-mail.
We don't have the address of the party house though, only an image. So a local will have to make a visual confirmation of the address.
Ah, well explained, since even I was able to figure out what to do.
DAMN! That is ridiculously close. Has anyone actually 100% confirmed that she actually had an intimate relationship with the person at that address???
Feel kind of bad gossiping about it, but ultimately it's the Chief's fault for making my mind wonder.
Six - an hour later, attachment finally sent. You almost have what happened, though.
Party House.
HV News (3.30.11 edition) said Cedar Street.
Off River Road by Dinsmore ?
Is this correct ?
I think not.
Any other reports of the party street address ?
Name of the street or road of Party House ?
Somewhere off of 9G.
South of Greentree Park area and -
North of St.Andrews Road.
I heard the party was on the street that runs up between Dunkin and Naples. If you go up that street and make a left, you are at the officer's house.
Here's a picture of the house where the party was, forwarded with comments from a friend of a friend...
http://i51.tinypic.com/4vrcar.jpg
Here's a map of Greenbush-Cedar-Pilgrim area.
(Doesn't seem to be 14 Cedar.)
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/14-Cedar-Ln_Poughkeepsie_NY_12601_M35755-58394?source=web
Use "Bird's Eye" view to scroll picture map.
Can't seem to find a "cape Cod" style house with 2-level deck anywhere in this area.
HV News get the 'correct' house picture ?
Couple of things...
The article in HVN said Cedar St., but I think that's incorrect. It's Cedar Lane.
But, the Pilgrim Terrace address appears to be half way down the road and on the "away" side from Cedar Lane. So, I don't see how there could be any confusion with what road the party was on. Unless people are purposely putting out false information.
If alcohol poisoning was COD, then she wouldn't have just up and left from the party like her boyfriend(who's been the most forthcoming person) is saying. Also, if alcohol poisoning was COD, everyone at the party would know, wouldn't they? Unless she drank a ridiculous amount, left quickly and then got sick
I am guessing that wrong address AND wrong picture of Party House was given.
Unless the realtor.com "bird's eye" maps are so out of date that it doesnt have a "Cape Cod with a 2-level back deck" on it.
Unless someone else can find a similar house to the one in HVN in that map - we again have 'mis-information'.
Surprise, surprise.
It looks like the deck was built after the bird's eye photos were taken.
http://www.trulia.com/property/3025385728-5-Cedar-Ln-Poughkeepsie-NY-12601
Excellent research folks! I really am glad to see that this conversation did not degenerated into the slumming commentary that we often see at our "favorite" local newspaper, but instead, we are seeing some true "power of the people" investigative info-sharing here.
Thanks to your contributions, it appears that we can now determine the party was NOT held at the officer's house, but that he did in fact live just a stone's throw from where the party happened.
Did she leave the party and go to his house? Where else would she have been walking to? Was she just out for a walk to cool off when someone just happened by? Will we ever know? I think we will. And we are getting closer to the truth now.
Right, the party house was not the officer's house; the officer's house was up Greenbush one block (street) heading toward 9G and has been for sale - why?
Questions:
- Are divorce filings online (for Dutchess)?
- Where was Katie's car parked (the only thing I've heard was she was staying with a friend that night and left her car at the friend's house)
WOW! Great job, ANON 5:38!
Now; what nearby address houses a public official that may be, or may have been, involved with local Public Safety?
Just a reminder, please refrain from posting specific names in commentary. But a house just around the corner is indeed owned by a HPPD officer believed to be more than officially involved in this case.
We are putting out a bit of a maze here for other readers to follow, if you are lost, please let us know and we will walk you through the information to see for yourself what the FACTS are based on public record.
I would also like that thank Jackinthebox for his comment above. He is a GREAT devil's advocate.
Good research...
I'm way slower than everybody else here... are both the alleged cops home and the home where the party was at for sale???
That's crazy.
Cant seem to find anything yet for sale on Greenbush Drive.
odd number?
Even number?
If someone were at DD, how many mailboxes would you go to buy a house that may (or may not) be for sale?
I'm freakin' confused!!!!
Moderator is it cool if I write 2 specific addresses on this forum to have someone confirm if they are the two addresses relative in this case? I won't post anything 'til you respond?
If I get a takedown notice I may have to remove them. But at this point, it is clearly a matter of public record, with one exception, names. So if you post, you do so at your own risk, and based upon your own PERSONAL conclusions. S6U takes no responsibility for your own personal correlation of data, opinions, and information collated between rumors and public records.
And please, just refrain from posting the names as well. Not so much because of lawsuits (a genuine concern of course) but I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. I don't want to go dragging someone's name though the mud like PoJo did when this case started.
No names...
The party address is 5 Cedar Lane, and the law enforcement person of interest is at 10 Pilgrim Terrace... correct???
I'm just trying to keep up with everyone else.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10-Pilgrim-Ter-Poughkeepsie-NY-12601/30108323_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}
Does not appear for sale - or on market recently.
Data could (obviously) not be current.
S6G: No names, no SS#'s.
Got it. Never from here.
Did anyone notice who the listing agent is for the other property?
Anon 7:07...
Yeah, I guess she's a town councilwoman and a real estate agent. I'm not sure there's anything to that though...
The variance for the porch appears to have been made in 2004 according to documents provided by an anonymous source.
"The party address is 5 Cedar Lane, and the law enforcement person of interest is at 10 Pilgrim Terrace... correct???"
Yes to both with the exception of person of interest because I am not sure we should use that term :) ..stay safe, be cool. To and clarify my previous post, it is 5 Cedar Lane that is for sale, not 10 Pilgram Terrace.
I have been using this site to find people and places: http://www.dutchessny.gov/AssmtRolls/RPhydepark11.pdf then searching sites that have photos based on addresses from that database.
Okie, so the 10 Pilgrim story I have is already out there on zillow.
p. 91
p. 1381
No one really knows how p. 1381 is relevant though, correct?
2 might have taken a "NDA" test?
or something like that.
@7:41 - No, two officers DID submit to DNA testing. Although the the HPPD has refused to name the officers, or state why the officers have been officially ruled out as suspects.
NDA1381 to be deleted.
Got to party alone in own car?
Driven by someone?
Personal car found where?
Jak,
You've been correct about this story from the beginning when you were posting on PoJo news. One question I have about your theory listed above with the accidental death at the party... Doesn't that make the boyfriends statements about 'them getting into a fight and her leaving and him staying' untrue?
Just curious on what you think...
Brief "summary scenario" on the AD theory?
@ Anon 6:45 - Fights happen, especially when people are blasted drunk, and especially at a young age when people have not yet learned their liquor boundaries. He may have been fighting with her to slow down on the drinking, may have been fighting with her over a "shady" ex who showed up, may have been fighting with her telling her not to leave, may have been fighting with her for any number of reasons.
Did he even admit that he was fighting with her personally, or did he just say that an argument happened at the party that caused her to leave?
And while I have come out to defend MD more often than not, that still doesn't mean that a scared as shit young man may not have been complicit in an ill-advised coverup in some way. Maybe even at the advice of a local police officer.
But would you really blame a kid, in this day and age, for being scared shitless of a lynch mob?
Allow me to please share a story now, from a good friend of mine, of something that happened to him back in the 90's I think it was...
"As to alcohol poisoning, let me share a story of what happened to me one New Year's. I was just a teen, Mom was at work, I threw a party. One of many actually, we never had any serious problems, until this one night. Some idiot convinced his cousin, who was not a drinker, to guzzle a half gallon of overproof vodka. It all happened within ten minutes. I came back downstairs, saw what they had done, and knew we had an emergency before the kid even started hurling. But of course, I was not going down for their stupidity either. I loaded the kid into a plastic snow-sled, and a bunch of us carried him to a nearby school yard in the freezing cold. We called an ambulance and called his sister. He could have died, but didn't. We didn't do anything wrong morally, yet many of us probably would have gone to prison if he died."
I think the bf has been consistent and truthful in this investigation.
@ Anon 9:14 - As do I. But I get the sense from him that he is very pissed the fuck off, knows what happened, but can't say.
Does this 'young lad' have any 'connection' to anyone in Public Safety?
That makes sense.
The thing that kinda bothers me, is that those kids at the party, have to know what happened. I feel like this should not be that hard of a case to solve, unless everyone clams up about what they know about the girl and the party.
That's alotta 'clammin'!
In harmony, too!
@anon 9:20 - The young lad is part of a long-standing local family of blue collar workers who run an automotive shop and run wrecker trucks. Running wreckers and having long standing business ties in a community opens up a special channel with police, for better or worse.
@anon 9:24. Precisely. When the case was not solved in the first few weeks, that fact weighed heavy on on my mind to entertain more conspiracy theory sort of ideas.
Here's the thing though. If it had just been an accidental death at a teen party, why cover that up? Which leads me back around to still entertain the notion that this may yet prove to be murder. Or that very serious felonies were committed in order to cover up an accidental death.
Here's another thing that concerns me. Judging by recent statements, it appears that HPPD has in fact been take off as the lead-agency, AFTER the FBI came in. That's not good for the HPPD at all.
And just to throw this out there. Not an accusation, but something to consider. The new Chief is a seasoned homicide investigator. That was pretty much why he got hired. He knows all about the chess-game of homicide, the gangs, the affiliations, etc. Now I ask this, who better to manage the coverup of a murder?
Was this slaying part of something much bigger? What does her family do? What are their business dealings. Why are they so silent? Is there a much larger conspiracy here that we are not seeing? Wouldn't be the first time someone in Dutchess County wound up dead over corruption and "organized crime" sorts of affiliations.
Could this be connected in any way to the assasination of a former Lloyd cop and his nephew in Newburgh by a proffessional hit squad of Jews out of the city?
True we don't know anything about the parents...
Would make a lot of sense as to why everything is so hush. There silence is probably the weirdest thing about this whole case. They haven't come forward about anything... At some point I would think these kids would get fed up and start talking to the media about what they know.
@Anon 9:50 - And they probably would if there was an incentive to risk their life. See, investivative journalism offers that incentive. "Hey kid, we'll give you a half million dollars to retire in Costa Rica if you give us the story."
PoJo is not up to the taks and probably part of the coverup.
Not one kid.
Not one parent.
Not one cop.
Not the victim's parents.
Not one neighbor.
.....NOT NORMAL.
I get the impression that some want to talk, that some have posted here in fact, dropping clues. But they are not sure how to go about really talking publicly. They are afraid, and with good reason. I know I sure as hell wouldn't trust the local mainstream publications.
Fear of the local police?
Fear after talking to the FBI (if they did)?
Fear of other friends?
@Anon 10:22 - That's the million dollar question. MD's Mom was very vocal on PoJo at first, and went silent.
Something is very not right.
I don't speak for Station 6, but some of you know me from PoJo, feel free to drop me a line...
jackinthebox.superjack@gmail.com
Ya know, a couple of times, kids have posted some stuff on the two FB groups. And immediately, the girl who gave her eulogy shuts down anyone from talking what she says is 'gossip'.
On the newest PoJo message board, greencats mentions some posts were already deleted that shouldn't have been. About who was at the party or something. Does anyone know what they were?
As far as MD's mom on the boards, I think she went silent once she got legal advice. Which, is definitely the correct thing to do.
Wouldnt the parents be a bit vocal about no resolution/answers by now?
Everyone's different.
But geeeeee.
Big authorities keeping them up-to-date; then demanding they keep silent?
NOT NORMAL.
Guessing that GreenCats didn't print (or copy into an email) the blog on PoJo.
@ Anon 10:47 - No doubt. No fault there. Just wishing she had more to say is all. I was one of the only people, if not the ONLY person to stand by her at PoJo. My heart goes out to her.
And I hope she is watching to see that. No matter how this case winds up, some folks in this community will always give heart and humanity to your family ma'am.
I find it odd that so many people are not talking. Something very personal happened, people are being threatened, or both.
And not to smear her memory, but this silence goes well beyond someone being the victim of of a sexual assault before they were murdered, if that is the case.
I get the notion this could blow up into something much larger than a murder in a small town. But something that might undermine our core values of faith in the American justice system.
Hello, Nancy Grace.
Pardon my french and unprofessionalism, but Nancy Grace sucks moose balls. Look how she defends the prosecution for screwing the pooch on the Anthony trial. That cop did the coverup, not Casey.
Guessing that GreenCats didn't print (or copy into an email) the blog on PoJo
Which blog? The secret one?
French is fine.
- but these are the type of stories she gets ahold of.
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The old 'comments on the stories' that people would comment on. (and obviously then get deleted)
Well, we don't delete here unless absolutely necessary.
And Nancy Grace is worse than PoJo. She covers the news as SHE sees fit. Look at how she is going after Casey Anthony. The prosecution was set to execute her on FALSE EVIDENCE. That is what Nancy Grace supports. We can do without that.
The secret thread "saves" have been sent. A lot of posts are still missing (For example ten posts were made the first night and only three were left after deletions... and that is when I started saving). Jak, Bob___, and greencats all have missing posts. Jak takes the prize for most missing(non-TOS) posts.
*The MIA posts* will not show up as TOS violations on your homepage, rather they have been shuffled elsewhere and not on your homepage (one would think you own them, and can therefore control them - pojo decided to datamine.
TOS violation posts I figured out how to "see" a while back. Blocked comments blogs - no problem, we can all see those.
TOS?
TOS: Terms Of Service (violation)
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Lol, count on Jak to get deleted and ruffle feathers.
Hope Six comes back tonight.
Really Jak - there I go and agree with you, then the post I agree to is deleted.
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Nothing gets deleted here unless you say something that might be illegal, or something along those lines anyway.
@ my 1:38 a.m., I meant over at pojo, not here.
Jak is the man! I can find the 'hidden' forums for the most recent article on PoJo. But, how do I see the deleted comments?
Greencats and Jackinthebox would ahve had this solved 2 months ago.
anyone have access to the full article?
http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0720HN00A001.pdf
FILIBERTI BOYFRIEND’S MOTHER CALLS OUT MARTINO
‘Stand up for my son and Katie as well as cops’
BY JIM LANGAN
The mother of the young man questioned early on in the death of Katie Filiberti has reached the boiling point with Hyde Park Supervisor Tom Martino regarding recent comments he made attacking reports that two Hyde Park Police officers had been asked to submit DNA as part of the murder investigation.
The mercurial Martino used the term “bomb throwers” in reference to media and Internet speculation about the officers involved.
So Martino was calling the public "bomb throwers" for stating facts? And Ms. D was portrayed, well, the way we see she was portrayed. As a conspiracy theory nut case? A mother protecting a "guilty" son?
One problem Martino. She was right. Police officers WERE taken in for DNA testing.
It seems the corruption runs into all levels of government these days. Was it not the Martino town government that installed the Chief? The same chief superbly qualified to investigate (or cover up) a murder? The same Chief who is vested, and no matter how bad he screws the pooch, he will get his retirement? Plus bonuses for newspaper exclusives on top of his 100-grand plus salary?
Just for the record here, Station.6.Underground has no horse in politics. We don't endorse either Republican nor Democrat. Frankly, we believe that corruption is the only party in charge today, no matter what color your ribbons.
Corruption top down. Absolutely.
The DA has accused the public of making "false allegations."
Then Martino calls the public Internet/media blog-posters "bomb-throwers."
How many more will try to silence the public?
Have those who would like to talk been silenced by threats and/or Intimidation tactics?
Is there anyway to see the whole HVN article??? Do they have actual quotes from MD's mother???
Did this discussion go elsewhere - or was it confiscated/hijacked by 'the unknown' ?
I am unsure what happened with the discussion but I've kept up with the searches.
Has anyone been able to get hold of the current HVN (7/20 edition)? I was unable to find a copy early this morning.
Mid-May (2011) Marino's nephew, Bryce Reed (age 22) had been subpoenaed by Sue Serino for the anonymous post cards she had been receiving from a Buffalo PO Box (Reed resides in Buffalo) and this information was in the May 25, HVN.
http://www.thehudsonvalleynews.com/HVNews/HVNews_files/0720HN00A001.pdf
....try this......
I only see the front page available there, but good for Ms. D! She is absolutely right! No one came out to stick up for her boy, except for my wise-mouthed sidekick Jackinthebox maybe. Yet when there is a shadow of doubt hanging over the police, oh, well they get fancy letters from the DA's office and the town supervisor calling townspeople "bomb throwers" for questioning why two police officers were taken in for DNA testing.
As I said before, we are not partisan here at S6U, but I can tell you one thing, we will be helping to makie sure Martino gets tossed when the time comes.
How are the postcards that Serino received relevant? Was Marino's nephew at the party? I know that Serino is the real estate agent for the 'party house'. Just wondering what the connection is...
As for 'Where did the discussion go?' This seems to always happen; something comes out and everyone gets on the boards, then a few days pass and it goes quiet again. Just how the fearless Chief wants it...
I wasn't seeing the connection either.
seems that the HVN does not have an on-line choice.
someone pretty smart has to find the paper and somehow put the story on the internet.
I am not that person.
....but I'd love to read/hear that Mr. Martino. Seems to have alot of 'flies' all around him whenever there's a story with him involved.
I do not know if there is a connection on the post cards or selling of the house (realtors sell houses); the only thing I know is some rotten things are going on in Hyde Park, and I bet they are a whole lot more rotten than I am finding.
@ Six - I don't see this as partisan, rather what I am finding is back-slapping, and off-the-record hand-shakes.
Seems to be an eight week delay before a paper goes online for HVN.
From May 25 on back, HVN is online here: http://issuu.com/hudsonvalleynews
Mr. M's nephew was caught sending some type of post cards to Ms. S from a Buffalo, NY post office box ???
If so - that's pretty slimey.
Not sure it's illegal - but really slimey.
This may be a "thing" for other people here, so I am asking on the forum (totally off-topic):
How can I post with a user-id? I see the choice "Name/URL" and it says "edit profile." I don't have a URL or profile, here. So, I've been a member of the "anonymous" club this way.
I don't see how the realtor has anything whatsoever to do with this case.
to anonymous 6:21, just get a blog at google blogspot or wordpress, they are free.
http://www.serinowatch.com/Site/Patriots_Blog/Entries/2011/6/24_Serino_%26_MacKay_lose_to_a_Kid_responding_Pro_Se_in_court..html
One thing that seemed really strange to me is the hiring of Broe to full-time status during this on-going investigation.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/poughkeepsiejournal/access/2375000871.html?FMT=ABS&date=Jun+15%2C+2011
Obviously, it seems a stretch to think, "the Chief covers up the murder and gets a promotion". But, to cover up something this big, there'd need to be some connections to heavy hitters. I might just be over thinking it...
@Anon 6:21 - You don't need a URL address, you can ty0pe in anything to the name box to identify yourself as you please.
If anyone has a blog, web page, something along those lines, you can enter the URL and it will link to the name you provide.
@anon 6:58 - The thought had crossed my mind too. Broe is a heavy-hitter himself, being a top-dog homicide investigator out of Newburgh, no stranger to gangs, corruption, organized crime. Was only a year or two ago that a former town of Lloyd cop and his nephew were assassinated in an empty building in Newburgh. Not that there is a connection to that necessarily, but still, the sort of things that happen here in the Valley.
Is this correct?
On March 20, 2011 - Chief Broe (CB) is a part-timer with HP. He was only part-time as not to diminish his current pension.
The death was on March 19, 2011.
July 2011 - He is made full-time Chief at $_______ annual salary. He is aok with his tax consequences since he's now making over $30,000.
The 'biggest, most controversial'case remains unsolved and 'gagged'.....yet the Town Board votes him in a a Full-Timer. Was it a unanimous vote? Anyone vote against the FT promotion? Who voted FOR the FT promotion?
Quick thought: Why would ANYONE vote for this with such a HUGE cloud over the entire situation?
This does not appear to be a 'common-sense' reaction while such a questionable case remains unsolved.
In addition to the horrible tragedy ---
Something else is not right.
Something big.
Here's the thing...
You can't see the PoJo article I linked to, but in that article, they speak only of the Town Boards' fiscal concers. They never even addressed the Filiberti case. Not one person even refers to the rumors of cops involved. It's like every student at FDR and DCC know the truth, but the adults in the community choose to ignore. Just odd...
Another thing I'm wondering, since I no longer live in the Valley: Is there truly outrage amongst the community, or is it really a select few still keeping the case alive online?
To me, if the parents don't fight to keep the story in the media, not much anyone else should or can do...
It's like every student at FDR and DCC know the truth, but the adults in the community choose to ignore. Just odd...
Exactly what I think, those kids know, but they are very afraid, of what, the DARE COPS? I will post a link to another of those dare cops, another POS.
@Anon 9:52 - There is outrage, but it is also something that people don't talk much about. There is suspicion everywhere, everyone walking on eggshells. And of course, folks just trying to get through their own day usually leaves the conversations coming in waves, rather than a steady drumbeat of calls for justice.
You're right.
What kind of community IS THIS?
Kids don't say anything.
Parents don't say anything.
Children of the Corn.
I 'don't do Facebook or Twitter' - are the kids on this?
The parents aren't concerned?
You're right, where are the parents on this?
Do they need another dead girl?
...or did they get a 'newsletter' telling them that the murderer 'passed away' or that it was just an accident, so no future potential harm.
What's with the parents of the local kids?
Maybe this is a clear reason that FDR is not really a High School that normal people want to send their kids to anymore.
Maybe creeps protect creeps.
Silent creepy parents.
"I will post a link to another of those dare cops, another POS."
Post the link!!!
10:08, if this is read by some FDR parents, they'll be quite pissed,but i agree that they are too creepy and too silent.
should be copy amd pasted into a FDR PTA flyer, then they may get 'a pair'. till then, they continue to be the big 'dopey, palookas' in this whole Hyde Park mess.
I have a child, who attends DCC, and I also do some work in HP, there is talk, just very quiet talk. The kids use face book "chat" (chat is private, like instant message), and they use IMs and texting.
FDR Staff: http://www.hydeparkschools.org/FDR/staff/
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349144525 <--- did work, does work, for HP Schools?
As far as FB goes, there's a couple groups on there. The day all those rumors came out, the pages went nuts. A lot of "suprised" comments and people in shock because they knew the people rumored. Then, a bunch of her close friends came on and deleted a lot of stuff and scolded everyone for spreading rumors.
One post that stood out for me, that was left up "Nothing is confirmed... it would be a tragic irony if these RUMORS are true but we all desperately want justice to be served, no matter what. RIP Katie"
The quote in anon 11:27 was made June 28:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/212164752132064
"Nothing is confirmed... it would be a tragic irony if these RUMORS are true but we all desperately want justice to be served, no matter what. RIP Katie
June 28 at 10:59pm via Android"
The pages the kids had (private, not groups) contained a lot of information for about a week (if), and then they deleted and use face book chat and c-phone text.
Why did they delete them?
(repost)
Is this correct?
On March 20, 2011 - Chief Broe (CB) is a part-timer with HP. He was only part-time as not to diminish his current pension.
The death was on March 19, 2011.
July 2011 - He is made full-time Chief at $_______ annual salary. He is aok with his tax consequences since he's now making over $30,000.
The 'biggest, most controversial'case remains unsolved and 'gagged'.....yet the Town Board votes him in a a Full-Timer. Was it a unanimous vote? Anyone vote against the FT promotion? Who voted FOR the FT promotion?
Quick thought: Why would ANYONE vote for this with such a HUGE cloud over the entire situation?
This does not appear to be a 'common-sense' reaction while such a questionable case remains unsolved.
In addition to the horrible tragedy ---
Something else is not right.
Something big.
What kid wants anyone, much less the police poking through their face book account; a privacy issue. Privacy is something to guard, and "not sharing" your personal life is not to be confused with "wrong doing."
anon 12:20 public salary and pension are on the Inernet; have you looked these up to verify?
The primary 'point' was not the salary, it was the Board's actions right in the midst of a controversial and critical time.
But the budget is also a sub-story.
The details of Chief Broe's contract with the town can be found in the minutes of the meeting here...
http://www.hydeparkny.us/agendas/townboard/m110613.pdf
Speaking of police searching Facebook accounts... that is actually pretty alarming. I read somewhere that only 12 maybe 15 warrants were issued NATIONWIDE in the last year to search Facebook accounts. Is local law-enforcement simply hacking these systems without warrants?
Is this why the FBI was brought in? Because police found evidence on Facebook without a proper warrant, and now the case can't be prosecuted because of that error?
Regardless though, police can't just go setting up a Facebook dragnet and sifting through accounts of anyone they think might have something to do with the case. They have to get a warrant for a specific reason, for a specific account. It will be interesting to see if they were willing to just toss out the Constitution and resort to Gestapo/KGB tactics in this already dubious investigation.
Who was acting chief before Broe?
Six -
First reference to social media searches (not formal searches, just gaining access and poking around; a "look-see" in case they may want a warrant) Like pretexting (absent the financial loss) because the cops would be gathering information under false motive, saying they want to be your friend, when they only want to gather information, and although the cops are not "selling" your information, it is still out there and they will fork it over to the prosecutor.
Police should have a warrant before (not after) they take a look-see into someone's FB account and police have no business posting bogus FB accounts with made-up names and photos then ask various kids to "friend" them.
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20110323/NEWS05/103230339
HYDE PARK — Ground searches, evidence collection, background checks, interviews, social media searches.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/01/11/is_this_lawman_your_facebook_friend/
Is this lawman your Facebook friend?
Increasingly, investigators use social networking websites for police work
By Julie Masis
Globe Correspondent / January 11, 2009
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THe FBI is here because this case is about public corruption and/or to help salvage evidence, such as electronic evidence.
Just re-read your post - yes, the cops are setting up FB dragnets, and getting kids (citizens) to join; the cops are asking (under bogus names, and photos) for targeted persons be "their friend." This is the type of stuff that causes kids to shut up real quick so they can smartly reassess who is really their friend, who leaked what about them to whom. In time, they just use "chat" or "text" to communicate.
Back in the day it was the parent looking over your shoulder; today's kids have the cops looking over their shoulder and peering into their lives through the Internet social media platforms. What about kids that leave their webcams on! YIKES- the cops can see inside the private residence.
There was a story of a student who was suspended from school for popping pills... at home. As it turned out, the pills turned out to be Mike & Ike candies. But the issue raised a whole bunch of concerns.
First, what authority does a school principal actually have over a student in their own home, outside of school hours?
Second, and more importantly, how did the principal even see the kid taking "pills?"
The answer to the second question is that all school-issued laptops have a "security" device which allows school administrators to remotely activate the computer's camera even when the computer is not being used.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/School-Spies-on-Students-at-Home-with-Webcams-Suit-84712852.html
Simple.
Don't put anything on-line that you wouldn't want others (whomever) to read.
Period.
Easier said than done these days. Even if YOU don't put something online, someone else may. Aside from that, even what you may not think of as secret at all, is data than can be collated in order to form a profile, timeline, all sorts of things. And it's not just from your home computer anymore either, but from smartphones that you or anyone else may be sharing information on...
http://stationsixunderground.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-to-cop-proof-your-cell-phone.html#axzz1TGKYrMtH
http://stationsixunderground.blogspot.com/2011/07/orwellian-police-tracking-system-to-be.html#axzz1TGKYrMtH
anon @ 10:19 –
The Fourth Amendment:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Cops uphold the constitution, not pretext their way into Face Book accounts. I am not sure pretexting as a "friend" meets the criteria for investigatory actions -exclusionary rule, although I would off-handedly say “cheap investigation.” Pretexting and hacking the Face Book accounts of kids (citizens) does not fall under the Patriot Act. If cops want to read (private) FB accounts, they get a warrant - that easy - period. We have a right to be secure in our persons, houses, papers (even if electronic), and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.
In a Fourth Amendment violation, the plaintiff must have a legitimate expectation of privacy at the searched location (Face Book account set to *private*). This expectation must meet both the subjective and objective tests of reasonableness. The subjective test requires the plaintiff to genuinely expect privacy; the objective test requires that, given the circumstances, a reasonable person in a similar situation also would have expected privacy.
The courts have ruled that any part of a face book account set to "private" is off limits absent a court order for limited access (note, this is for civil, low evidentiary threshold): http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/07/11/facebook-myspace-fair-game-as-evidence-in-court/
And this is why kids are instead opt for the "chat" feature (privacy) and c-phone texting instead of phone calls.
Six - last I read up on LPR use in NYS, the data was stored and no one knew what to do with the stored data.
NYPD (NY City) stores the data last I checked.
Someone asked about the DARE car. Rumor that it was taken off the road right after the case began. I don't recall exactly when it was taken off the road, but I do know that several vehicles went up for auction in June.
"NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town
of Hyde Park hereby determines that the above noted 2000 Ford Crown
Victoria, 2008 Ford Crown Victoria, and 2008 Dodge Durango have no further
use to the Town and are surplus property; and..."
http://www.hydeparkny.us/agendas/townboard/m110613.pdf
Police can lie all they want to get information.
There was a case a while back where a pervert got set up by an undercover cop and charged with attempted rape. I have no problem sending a pervert to prison, but I do have a problem with sending someone to prison for a victimless crime. How could he attempt to rape a child if there was in fact no child to be "sold" by the undercover cop? Criminal solicitation and related crimes I could see, but not attempted rape. Nevertheless, that is the law, and makes it perfectly legal for cops to lie through their teeth, and often CREATE the very crime they are charging.
Pojo turned off the comments for the memorial fund article:
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/comments/article/20110728/NEWS01/107280330/
That's weird, I was just reading that article too. Lol.
A memorial fund is nice and all, but I think it's inappropriate to hold events like this until the case is solved.
Solved and the public knows what happened; I mean the pubic has right to know exactly what they are donating toward other than a scholarhsip fund in someone's name.
If this has been solved, can someone please share?
Nope, not solved. And at this point, I am going to be very suspicious of whatever conclusion reached by police and the DA.
Apologies for spelling errors and lack of clarity: 10:24 am post.
When holding an "event" in an unsolved crime (same for a missing person), a vigil is more appropriate than a fundraiser because you are rallying for justice while supporting the family. A fundraiser in the victim’s name speaks to finality, such as the case is closed. Donations in lieu of flowers at time of funeral are a separate issue, and are just that, in lieu of flowers. Maybe it is just me, but this entire case seems a bit “off,” as if the search for truth and justice are to remain quiet.
Personally, any conclusion reached in this case by the police or DA is going to be the same as blowing "official" smoke around.
IF there is a 'smoke & mirrors' conclusion - someone will 'break' and the house of cards will fall.
JUST TO LET EVERY ONE KNOW THE VICTUMS FATHER WORKS FOR VERIZON WITH MY STEPFATHER AND I ASKE HIM WHAT HE THINKS AND WHY THE PARENTS ARE SO QUIET AND HE SAID HE THINKS THE COPS ARE JUST FEEDING THEM BS AND TELLING THEM TO BE QUIET BC IT COULD RUIN THE CASE
If that's true, they need to come out in public and say something. The one kid's mother did. I think people need to come together and rally for justice instead of just a memorial fund.
Just the same though, I feel terrible for her parents not only for what happened of course, but for them being put in this position. Once they go public against the police, that bell cannot be un-rung.
Is there a discussion anywhere about what could potentially ruin this case or how it would be ruined? Did I miss it?
There was an article on PoJo a while back that was pretty much a hollow propaganda piece saying this wasn't abnormal. They got some big shot investigator from NYC to say that it was not exactly common, but that there could be "legit" reasons for being so tight-lipped, though in that article he even this supposed expert didn't really get into what those reasons might be.
And I think that after this much time, it's pretty obvious that the police are full of shit. Now don't get me wrong, in any investigation there are details they won't and should not share publicly, for more obvious reasons. But I have NEVER heard of ANY case where officials where THIS quiet to the point of actually slapping the Medical Examiner with a gag order.
How about a discussion of potential reasons why the kids that were at that party aren't talking? Are they in fear of something?
They are talking, and saying this case should have been solved already... among other things. Of course, they do have to be careful too. Their lawyer's I'm sure don't give a crap about justice, they care about protecting their client. Which of course means that they will advise their client to keep their mouth shut as much as possible and not attract attention to oneself.
Out of 30 (random guess) people at the party, you'd think that someone would want to sell their story, that their lawyer would know that they were safe, and that they could make some money.
That's the thing though. To make money off it, to go to a newpapaper and share the story for profit, you can get sued real easily. Anything those kids say is just "best guess" anyway. They might be able to give the public some more insight, but none of them know what actually happened to her.
I sure would be interested to know though, what the police were doing there. I hear that the two officers in question, their prints were all over the house. And we do know that one officer had a personal relationship with Katie, well, according to the Chief anyway.
A lot could be shared without speculating about the COD. I mean, the police didn't even say where the party was and it took people here four months, public tax records, photos, realty records, and Bing birds-eye view maps just to figure out where the party was.
Well that much is true. There is a lot more to know no doubt. But with 20 or 30 kids at a party, we are going to get all sorts of different observations and opinions. Which is exactly why I suspected pretty much right from the start that something was very "off" about this case.
In the first few days, I played the devil's advocate for the boyfriend, but I did certainly think it was a strong possibility that he had something to do with it. But by the time a week or two went by with no arrest, I became convinced that he was NOT involved. If it had been someone at that party, police would have cracked that nut in days. You can never get 30 kids to agree on anything, and because of that, cops would have been able to zero in on a suspect real fast. But it didn't happen.
So that means that either A, it wasn't anyone at the party who did it, and there is some random killer on the loose despite the Chief's assurances that we are safe. Or B, the police are protecting the persons or persons at the party who may have done it or were somehow involved. I really don't believe that a kid at the party would not have been found out at this point with all the kids talking amongst themselves and to police.
Is there more that we, the public can do to put pressure on officials to release some kind of press release or news on the case? Instead of the complete silence. The only peep of any kind has been due to public voice about the DNA testing. We need more public voice/demand for the release of SOME information.
Someone probably got on our local Congress-persons about it, which led to the FBI being called in. Short of that, with the level of potential corruption this case appears to have, where to turn for help?
All HP cops fine?
Anyone get suspended?
Anyone on 'extended holiday'?
Anyone 'retire'?
Anyone get 'transferred'?
Anyone 'get promoted'?
(do not include the INSANE promotion the Chief got - while all this is going on !!! Something fishy with the Hyde Park Board or are they simply 'flooking stupid'? Or are they 'smuggly in-your-face arrogant'? Something's NOT RIGHT.)
Are there other places on the PoJo website to read comments on past/current articles other than:
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Are all the previous comments destroyed?
"So that means that either A, it wasn't anyone at the party who did it, and there is some random killer on the loose despite the Chief's assurances that we are safe."
Jak, good insight as always. Just wanted to push back slightly on your A argument, a killer on the loose: For the Chief to come out and say that the community is safe, HE HAD to know that this was not some random lunatic who could randomly kill again. Think if he was wrong with that statement and a girl ended up dead a week later? His career would be over.
As someone stated earlier, Broe's comments that the public is safe is clearly "the 800 lb. gorilla in the room." And I'm not sure what exactly to make of it, except that the murderer(if there was one) was not a random crazed individual. This is also supported by the fact that there has been no other murders or attempted abductions in 5 months.
I thought it was sort of an odd statement to make at the time, but of course I figured it would be backed up and that he was basically telling us than either A) an arrest was imminent, or B) that they would close the case with an alternate conclusion than homicide with the closure of the Medical Examiner's report.
After this much time now, my long standing theory that it may have indeed been accidental is only now possible if there is in fact a coverup to hide the complicity of someone who may have provided her with drugs and/or alcohol. Or, we have a coverup of an actual homicide. Either way, I really don't see how at this point they can say there ISN'T a coverup going on.
It would be one thing if, like in many other cases, they were simply unable to solve the case. That's understandable. Not every case can be solved, and some take many years to finally crack. But I really don't see this as that kind of case AT ALL. They know who did it. If they didn't, they would have appealed to the community for help, and they certainly would not have made assurances that the community was safe.
Yeah, completely agree with everything you said there.
Cheers. Maybe we need to start putting more pressure on the FBI rather than the locals to solve this case.
anon @ 9:16 PM
You asked, "Are all the previous comments destroyed?"
No, most can be recovered and I work at it in my spare time. In the meantime, everyone should open MS Word and save & date all their posts in the even they are deleted.
*in the EVENT (my typos!... guess who does not have MS Word open)
Is the FBI still here? No comment from them either and they are really good on issuing press releases.
I never bother to save my comments. The only time I ever wished I had is when PoJo censors me for something really stupid, and you can tell that one of their mods is using a sock puppet in a discussion.
Other than that, I only save posts that have real specific data or info.
Good question Rambocats. If not, then either the coverup goes that high, or they really were just here to run a Facebook dragnet.
The possibility of a serial killer is not that far off, they do not always kill a bunch in a row, rather some once a year, some whenever the opportunity arises.
What is interesting is I would have left the party house alone if pojo had reported what was aleady public record. Was not reporting on the house (by pojo) an intentional distraction?
http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/4107500-Investigating-a-circumstantial-criminal-case/ <-- Investigating a circumstantial criminal case
Just one paragraph here (entire article, good read, includes social networking sites, and so on and so forth).
"With a court order (electronic information) or search warrant (contents of the phone) we can obtain much more information including text messages, photographs, videos, internet activities, last known location of a victim, last person victim spoke with, a precise location for whomever you are looking for based upon cell sites or GPS coordinates, who is calling whom, call volume, where calls are being made from in real time and personal associations. With this information, new targets can be developed and in the case of an approved wire tap, call content can be monitored."
FBI would better be able to handle a wiretap than the local PDs.
"The only time I ever wished I had is when PoJo censors me for something really stupid, and you can tell that one of their mods is using a sock puppet in a discussion."
Maybe what you wrote really wasn't "stupid." Not just pojo, but cops, their wives are on pojo, too.
The posts that irritate me most, "Let the police do their job." Who in is stopping them? No one.
When I said "stupid" I meant something that is clearly not a violation of TOS, and sometimes even as rebuttal to a real nasty TOS that is allowed to stand. Bunch of hypocrites over there at best.
Who knows (truly knows) the FBI was here for this case? Did anyone get questioned and get left a business card? (No names, please) NYC FO was alleged to be here.
Is the corruption bottom-up, or top-down? I think it works both ways.
On the more recent deletes, they are not TOS violations, no matter how seemingly stupid, or even a rebuttul, such as, "where is my stupid post pojo!"
Police warrants to search Facebook profiles on the rise
http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/3988850-Police-warrants-to-search-Facebook-profiles-on-the-rise/
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/12/us-law-enforcement-obtain-warrants-to-search-facebook-profiles/#ixzz1RwLHWwOd,
11 search warrants on facebook for year 2011 (double 2010) and that is solely based on reveiw of WestLaw.
"The Facebook search warrants typically demand a user's "Neoprint" and "Photoprint" -- terms that Facebook has used to describe a detailed package of profile and photo information that is not even available to users themselves."
Alarming: "Facebook is not required by law to inform users of when their account is subject to search, and the government does not need to issue an alert, either."
When it first happened, I entertained the possibility that it was a serial killer. But interesting to note that investigators think it's probably a cop who has been dumping all those bodies on the beach down on Long Island.
So if it is a serial killer, I still think it's a local cop, who struck close to home for some reason. Had to be someone who knows the area to find that park.
This is going to sound really woo-woo out there. But the night after it happened I had a dream about it. In that dream she was killed because she knew something about a real-estate deal and corruption of some sort tied to that deal.
The killer had planned to dispose of her body there by letting dogs feed on it, but was interrupted, or unable to complete his crime that way for some reason. Soin stead he abused the remains to make it look more like it was a sex and torture murder when it actually had nothing to do with anything like that at all.
There were some other details to the dream too, but that was the gist of it.
Facebook is an NSA datamine anywway, but for prosecutions, the government still has to jump through the legal hoops.
Frankly, I was surprised when I first read that article myself that only 11 warrants had been issued in 2011. Not saying I like the government snooping through Facebook, but I would still think that there would be a lot more than 11, for anything from missing persons cases to drug investigations, to terror investigations, etc.
I will try a WestLaw search tomorrow evening and see if these eleven warrants include pending investigations.
What concerns me is the photoprint and neoprint because those have photos of others (and photos of the person from other profiles). Moreover, since these “prints” includes info a person being searched wouldn't know about; would that be information posted ABOUT them on other FB profiles from both the neoprint and photoprint, and all without having to seek out additional warrants on those additional accounts.
@ Jak, you are having psychic dreams? Did the dream involve the cop-impersonator?
I have had a few dreams, a few psychic experiences over the years, but I wouldn't say I am psychic at all. I think it's more coincidence and observation. And of course there is nothing to suggest that my dream is actually true in any way.
But the perp in my dream was not a uniformed cop anyway. Middle-aged businessman, maybe an off-duty cop. Face vaguely resembled a pic I saw of one of the cops in question, but I never met him in person so I couldn't really say. I remember more how the guy moved in my dream, his haircut, his voice, talking to the dogs and complaining to himself a little frustrated.
I'm more inclined to believe this is strictly political. Martino and Broe will release all the info right before November and look like big heroes with hopes of winning a re-election. It may seem unlikely but Martino and corruption go hand in hand as do Broe and him. And poor Katie is used as a political pawn.
Sad that the people of Hyde Park accept what their officals tell them.
HP Justice. Do you really think they would play with fire like that? If that was their plan I think they just shot themselves in the foot. At this point, no matter what the result of the case, they have done irreparable harm to their reputation.
I don't think Martino has a chance in hell of getting back in. And Broe is treading dangerously close to having an outraged community demand his resignation. And I'll tell you another thing, it's a damn good thing for them that they got the vote on the police station when they did, because now, they never would have gotten it.
Lol, I wonder if that's the real estate deal from Jack's dream.
Tough to figure a college freshman knowing about some RE deal.
Scenarios?
What RE deals are actually 'up for review' at this time ?
Anyone involved directly with the Town Board have any direct relationships with pending HP development projects?
@4:12
Dreams are not easily interpreted of course, being an abstract of the sub-conscious. The real-estate deal in the dream may have been representative of any business or political motivation, rather than lust or crime of passion sort of thing.
And although I had no suspicion at the time that the police might be involved in any way, maybe it was indeed my subconscious reflecting a connection to police with a "real estate" deal since the new police station was a hot-button political issue.
Or perhaps the dream was not actually reflecting the true motivation of the death, but was in fact prophetic, foretelling the controversy that would come and which we are seeing now.
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